Is Length The Holy Grail?

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DR GAV: G’day Dr. Jayson, thanks for talking with me today again on the penis show. We’re the dicks doctors, I’m Dr. Gav. And today we have a great topic, hopefully, not a lengthy topic, excuse the pun. We’ll try and keep this one short, but it’s about the complete opposite of short, really. It’s about what guys are asking us all the time, and they think it’s the Holy Grail, and is it? I don’t know. Is length the Holy Grail, Dr Jayson?

DR JAYSON: I had someone tell me that long and thin get you in, but short and thick does the trick, and length is the first thing that some people see, and it gives that sort of impression of a bigger penis. Certainly, if I had the choice between having a seven-inch long penis and a three-inch long penis, I’d want a seven-inch long penis. But I think as far as partner satisfaction goes, studies seem to be that girth and circumference are more important than length per se.

DR GAV: Yeah, I’d have to agree from everything I’ve read, but having said that, guys are very fixated on length and believe that it is the most important thing when it comes to being self-confident, 1, and 2, that is what matters in terms of what their partner wants.

DR OATES: Yeah. So guys are always asking us and we obviously have to explain to them that CALIBRE is an injectable girth treatment for augmenting the width of the penis, it doesn’t give you length, certainly doesn’t give you erect length. Some guys find that their flaccid length is better just because it’s heavier and it hangs a bit more. Maybe it’s just because they’re feeling more confident and they become more of a “shower” than a “grower”. But we need to be very clear, CALIBRE is for making it fatter, not longer. So people have been trying to increase the length of their penis for thousands of years, there’ve been records back in the Middle East of this exercise technique known as Jelqing, that’s stretching the penis. And you know it’s got obviously thousands of years’ worth of experience, they warm up with towels, they wrap it up, there’s various manoeuvres of stretching it one way and the other way and up and down and holding it and then milking it but in the medical literature, it all says it doesn’t work. But when you get online and you start talking to people who have been doing it and the online resource, here is a forum called Thunder’s Place, where lots of guys say they’ve been doing it for a long time, saying it can work. I think it can for some guys create an increase in length and maybe even an increase in girth because you don’t want it to be twice as long and half as thick. So I think it (Jelqing) can work, but it takes a lot of dedication. I’d love to be able to run a marathon. I just can’t because I don’t put in the effort and I’m not that fit. So that’s the limitation with Jelqing. And everybody’s familiar with things like pump devices. Austin Powers, I guess, had a great sort of-

DR GAV: The Swedish penis pump, I believe.

DR OATES: Yeah, the Swedish, well there are so many of them, I shall let you in on a little secret. I haven’t told anybody else this, but I’m actually doing some research and developing a new penis pump and adding some new technology onto it. So at some point, I look forward to revealing that to you once we get a little bit further down the track.

DR GAV: Looking forward to that very much.

DR OATES: I’m sure you are. Again in the medical literature, nothing to really support an increase in length from pumps. Although, it can stop loss of length after prostate surgery. So if you have prostate surgery, some of the nerves can be damaged and you can lose the ability to get an erection. Now, if that skin, that tissue, the corpus cavernosum, the vascular space, isn’t getting stretched out, it’ll scar up over time. And then you have guys going “you guys are great, I’ve survived prostate cancer, now my penis is an inch shorter” and they’re not keen on that. So the pump certainly has been shown to work there. Just using the Viagra type injectable medications reliably produces an erection abd have been shown to prevent that loss of length. Certainly, guys get temporary length and girth from the pumps, but that may be for a few hours. Most guys will say it won’t last more than twenty four hours. So the pump perhaps isn’t really the answer for length. Getting into the stretching devices, do you have guys bring them to you and say, “I’ve got this collection of stretching devices, which one do you think is better? And this one’s got stainless steel rods, etc..”

DR GAV: Not exactly, I mean that maybe Sydney is a little bit different, it’s not show and tell.

DR OATES: Maybe I’m just too open about these things. So yeah, I’ve had guys bring them in and show, that there has been a couple of published studies that have shown some limited increase in length from using these stretching devices. But you’ve got to be, again, really dedicated to it. So we’re talking hours a day and the more hours, the better. So three hours perhaps is the minimum, maybe six hours, better. And then every day for months, preferably six months, so real dedication. But if you’re going to be dedicated, then I think some people will definitely get some increase in length and the step beyond just using the stretching device, is what’s called “hanging”. Hanging either is tying a weight on in various fashions, using suction cups to the head of the penis and then actually suspending weights, and of course, guys will always overdo it. But again, no medical evidence, but I’ve just seen too many guys on forums reporting what they’ve been doing, reporting their program and what they’ve done, and they’re all like Olympic athletes! They get up at 5:00 in the morning, warm up, you know, you’ve got to have your health drink, you warm it up with towels, you’re doing all these exercises and stretches, you do that for a few hours in the morning, you wear it (stretching device) all day, you come home in the evening, you do another warm up and stretch, and you hang weights off of it.. I do believe it can make some difference and some guys are claiming really significant increases, like an inch in length and it may have taken years, but that’s a significant increase in the length, but then again, you hear lots of guys also say, it didn’t do anything for them.

DR GAV: And that’s a lot of effort, sounds highly impractical if you’re not guaranteed some extra length.

DR OATES: Yeah, I think some guys, seem to be willing to do it, but I guess that’s why guys come and see us because they’re not willing to go to that sort of extreme. They want to just have it thickened up with an injectable filler. And then the next step from there, obviously, then comes surgery. And that’s where the most common is the suspensory ligament division, usually done by an incision just above the base of the penis, different shapes of it and with the tension and the stretching of it, often they do what they call a “v to y” incision. So the skin is cut in a V shape and as they pull on the penis, they close up into a Y shape and it’s stretched that skin down. And the problem is that those scars tend to do really badly, often get infected. Just about a month ago, I had to do a scar revision on a guy because it was just so stretched and indented. So with the scar, people have tried doing it other ways, they have done circumcisions and gone in that way and that sort of hides some of the scarring. They’re even going in through the scrotum, coming in from the scar underneath in the scrotum. So, technically that’s making the operation a bit more complicated, but it can avoid one of the main drawbacks. The other drawback, of course, with the ligament division, is that you’re not guaranteed of getting increased length. And you were saying this before that you’ve seen lots of guys who have had the procedure, but not all of them are thrilled by the length that they’ve had.

DR GAV: No, with the amount of downtime, the cost of the procedure, the amount of aftercare and stretching that has to be done anyway, post-procedure for months, I think they may have got a centimetre or two, but to them, it wasn’t that obvious and not something that they’d probably go through again.

DR OATES: Yeah. So usually what they are expecting is, a gain in flaccid length and then not a gain in erect length. And so it’s turning you from a somewhat of a “grower” into a “shower” maybe. But if you’re not getting that erect length sort of improvement, then is it worth it and then would that worry of the ligament reattaching, people have devised all these different ways of trying to stop it, like putting a silicone block in there, putting in balls of fat and various sort of things, but it can reattach. And yeah, as you say, if they’re not dedicated in doing the stretching, then it can even scar back and get shorter than it was, just one of these things that if you’re going to need to do three hours of stretching a day, every day for three to six months after surgery, maybe you should just try doing that before surgery. You might save yourself a scar or down time, the expense of doing it, and you might get exactly the same result as what you get with the surgery itself. Having said that, I’ve certainly seen guys who have had results and have been happy with their results, but not the majority, and again, maybe it’s a selection thing, maybe they’re coming to me because they’re not happy with their surgery results and all the guys who are totally happy with the surgery results-

DR GAV: We would never see them.

DR OATES: No, certainly not. I think its online reputation is that it’s not as great as what you hope it’s going to be.

DR GAV: Mm-hmm. And for those of us who haven’t joined us previously on the penis show, we often talk about “growers versus showers”, it’s a common term used for guys who have a fair bit of shrinkage, maybe in the cold or maybe just naturally the penis retracts, and so they don’t look like they have a very large penis when they’re relaxed and flaccid. But then when they have an erection, it’s three times the size or more – they’re called growers, very normal. That can happen to a lot of men and it’s a very normal phenomenon. And then, of course, you have those guys who are willing to take off their pants and walk around the change room for 15 to 20 minutes, and they’re usually the showers, guys who have penises that naturally hang out quite a bit, but an erection that may not increase in size as much as some of the growers.

DR OATES: Yeah, they could have a six inch flaccid penis and a six inch erect penis, which is great. A guy can have a two inch flaccid penis and a six inch erect penis. Why? It’s obviously something to do with the blood flow. And we’ll talk about this later when we talk about erectile dysfunction and various management, there are things that can somewhat turn you from a “grower” into a “shower”, but basically, I think it’s just your natural physiology, it’s just the way you are.

DR GAV: Sure. And as you mentioned at the beginning, with the CALIBRE procedure using just simple gel type of filler, even though it’s just for increasing girth really, the type of procedure that we do, it does often add weight and the structure of the filler turns someone who’s normally just a “grower” into a bit of a “shower”, it looks naturally bigger when they’re relaxed and flaccid.

DR OATES: Yeah, I’m going to wonder, it’s partially the weight, it’s partially that the gel just resists from shrinking up. I just wonder if it’s like partially in your head as well, they don’t get shy, and they’re feeling confident, and it’s just because it’s just something physiologically then just doesn’t want to shrink up, it hangs out more. And that’s why we say confidence changes everything, it really does.

DR GAV: Yeah, that’s a great, great way to wrap up. I think confidence changes everything and there are a lot of different and interesting options out there. And we’ve covered a few about lengthening the penis today, but no real easy solution to that one. And yeah, thanks so much for joining the dick doctors, guys. Thanks, Dr Jayson again for all of your valuable insights.

DR OATES: You’re welcome. Yeah guys, if you have questions, please let us know. Make a comment and yeah, we look forward to hearing from you.

DR OATES: Great, thanks.

DR GAV: Till next time.

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